Table of Contents - Family Business, Family Goals, Financial Freedom With Mel And Dave Dupuis
George El Masri [00:00:00] Ladies and gentlemen, good day to you. I don't know if you're listening to this in the morning or afternoon, but it's the morning here. So I was going to say good morning to you. Hope everybody's doing well. And I interviewed Mel and Dave today, investors Mel and Dave. For those of you that don't know, they are they've been investing for a long time, over 200 units and they are investing in North Bay. So they're into residential, commercial. And now they are starting to explore other properties outside of the city. So they're looking at multi units, even 50 units and over that type of thing. So we talked about their journey, how they started. We talked about their family goals, how what were their goals when they started? Were they aligned? Did both of them want to invest? We talked about passing on some of your knowledge to your kids, or what if your kids aren't interested in investing? What do you do in that situation? Do you just sell everything? So they've obviously had those discussions as a family. And it's just really cool to see what what can happen if you and your spouse are working together and your kids are involved. We also kind of broke down a little bit of their social media strategies and and how they're able to to grow their audience and that type of thing. So lots of great content in here. I hope you'll enjoy. And I just want to ask you guys to provide us with some feedback on the podcast. I'd love to hear your thoughts. What do you like? I'm open to hearing in the way the ways that we can improve. So if you can share that with us, that would be great. You can just email podcasts at well off Axia. You can also book a call with us if you'd like. Just go to well-off Nazia and there's an option to book a 15 minute call. I'd love to hear your feedback. I appreciate you guys tuning in all the time and I hope you'll enjoy the episode. Welcome to the Life podcast, where the goal is to motivate, inspire and share success principles. I'm here with Mel and Dave Dupri today. So Mel and Dave Owen and manage over two hundred apartments, which include commercial spaces, homes, one, two and three bedroom apartments. They're committed to providing attractive, well-kept apartments with a comfortable and enjoyable living environment. So we're going to dove into your story a little bit more. And Dave, thank you for joining us. And I like to start off by asking you a little bit about your childhood, where the two of you grew up and maybe one or two things you remember.
Mel Dupuis [00:02:21] Yeah, well, and thanks for having us. So I'm from northern Ontario. I grew up in a very small town with no streetlights. And I went to a very small French school. And, yeah, it was just it was a very small town. So it was all about the outdoors and spending a lot of time biking and and just being outside.
George El Masri [00:02:46] What time was that? Just out of curiosity.
Mel Dupuis [00:02:48] Well, sorry,
George El Masri [00:02:49] what was the name of the town you grew
Mel Dupuis [00:02:51] up in? I grew up in Erlandson, Ontario.
George El Masri [00:02:54] Is that like up north? Are you saying like close to Sudbury or something like that
Mel Dupuis [00:02:58] or close to an hour and a half north. Up north.
George El Masri [00:03:02] OK, yeah, OK. And what about you, Dave?
Dave Dupuis [00:03:05] I was actually born and raised here. I lived in Sudbury for maybe a year, but I grew up in North Bay. I went to school in Ottawa and came back here. And yeah, what I remember from childhood is just playing hockey all the time, just being gone every weekend for hockey and not really getting to do that outdoor stuff. But now we're we're making up for it and we're doing outdoor stuff like skiing and snowmobiling and all that now because it was all hockey was growing up. So Northern Ontario stuff. Yeah.
George El Masri [00:03:36] I'm sorry. You guys both bilingual, right? Yeah. OK, perfect. Yeah, me too. I actually went to a French school in like in the city, so I grew up in Mississauga and Brampton and I was in the French schools there and fluent in French as well. So but I don't want to do this in French, so that'll be a little bit challenging. OK, so tell me a little bit about your story. I know you guys have over 200 units. I think you're you're mostly investing in North Bay, is that right?
Mel Dupuis [00:04:06] Yes, correct. Yeah. So we yeah, we specialize in solely buying our properties. So that's that's kind of our specialty and multifamily. But yes, for now, although we are setting up our our LCD and all that to invest and we're looking across Canada as well.
George El Masri [00:04:26] OK, so your your units, you talked about multis. Are you investing in like duplexes triplexes or are you investing in larger, larger properties?
Dave Dupuis [00:04:37] For now we're starting to invest in bigger properties, to be honest with you. In the. Well, yesterday we just closed. We sold the duplex and last month we sold the duplex. But yeah, we're looking at it now said bigger properties. And we are looking outside of North Bay now, more and more just to get outside of the one city and buy some bigger units throughout Canada and throughout the states. But as of today in North Bay,
George El Masri [00:05:04] where you guys starting to look, are you looking like further south towards Toronto or are you looking maybe out east or out west or something like that?
Dave Dupuis [00:05:13] I've been looking in Florida. I've got a soft spot for Florida. I've been looking at every province like I know in Quebec. There's some there's some very low price deals in that I've been looking out west as well. So it's just honestly, it's whatever whatever deal makes sense. And as I'm looking at, let's say ten units are over 20 years or over, we're it doesn't matter where the market is, it's just kind of get it. But then getting to learn, how is the landlord tenant board act? There was a more landlord friendly, tenant friendly. And then just what is the market doing right? Is it is it a one what is it that's in one town oney or one? Whatever you want to buy somewhere, it's just a mill. And if it closes, then what's going to happen? So just just things like that. Right?
George El Masri [00:05:57] Sure. So just to go back to when you guys started, were you guys did you have the same goals when you started with regards to your real estate investing, or did one person want it more than the other? What was that like?
Mel Dupuis [00:06:11] Yeah, so when it was interesting because when I met Dave, I had two properties. Dave had one. And now we both we were on the same page. I knew that I wanted to grow my portfolio. Dave felt the same as well. So we were definitely on the same page with which obviously made it a little easier because there was one person trying to convince the other. We were pretty driven on. We knew that with real estate we could create financial freedom for ourselves and for our kids. So so we knew that we could do it. And that's why we decided to to go. Fully on grow as much as possible.
George El Masri [00:06:50] Do you remember what your goals were back then? Did you have a specific goal or was it just like we want to get to financial freedom?
Mel Dupuis [00:06:56] Yeah, I had a specific goal when I met Dave, and that was I wanted 10 properties by the time I was 40. And I think before I turned 40, we had twenty seven properties. So yeah. So although back then it seemed so unrealistic, that goal was really aiming for the start shooting for the stars that the thing and everybody would tell me why would you want to do that. And you know, it's impossible and all those things. But I was able to to to get to significantly more.
George El Masri [00:07:32] And what did that 10 property goal mean for you guys? Why did you pick 10 properties?
Mel Dupuis [00:07:40] I just knew that it would change my financial situation substantially. I knew that I would have that security and knew that I wouldn't be looking at my pay stubs anymore and try to figure out that feeling about payrolls in two weeks from now. I knew that I would just erase that out of my mind. And yeah, that's it. At that time when I said it, it was just kind of I didn't know exactly like I didn't break it down was more vague.
Dave Dupuis [00:08:05] But you got people in your close circle, like not naysayers, but you got a lot of heat for that. But what's the word I'm looking for here?
Mel Dupuis [00:08:14] Yeah, I got a lot of comments, unwelcomed comments when I told to tell them about set it up when I said, yeah, for sure. And that's that's quite often normal, I suppose. But yeah. No, I just wanted it just started like an aggressive goal, I guess. And I thought, well, if I can actually make this happen, like that would be amazing. And I just kind of rounded off my numbers in 10 by 40. It sounded good.
George El Masri [00:08:43] Well, you more than doubled that. You said 20. You reached twenty seven properties. By the time you're 40. When you guys get there, how do you feel like you are you still motivated to keep growing and why, why would you continue to grow if you've reached your goals and you know you have what you want at that point
Dave Dupuis [00:09:01] and like yeah metalhead that goal and I was going to say are my goals are our goals now? They're like every month they change or they they just differ. Right. And I'm just thinking before was you know, the goal was to leave our full time employment and then and then we did. And then after that it was, OK, let's have the buildings purchase a vehicle for us. OK, so we'll only do that if we buy three more properties or if we get the total of another, I don't know, a thousand fifteen hundred dollars more cash flow. So that would be the incentive. Then we bought metals escalate and then so that that goalpost is always moving to whatever is necessary. Right. We want to go on a trip with the kids. OK, well, we're not going to pay for the buildings are. So let's have let's buy another building and that'll be the vacation fund so that. Yeah. That Gold Coast is always moving. And that's the one thing, because whatever we draft up today in our minds, we just know that, OK, how do we do it by more real estate and have those buildings pay for whatever goal we set up next? Yeah.
George El Masri [00:09:58] Mel, you like the Escalade? A big vehicle I love.
Mel Dupuis [00:10:01] Yes. Well, you know what? It's the story. But after the car crash, I just don't feel comfortable being a smaller vehicle. So, yeah, I love the escalator. We have three kids and two dogs, so we needed something to make sense.
George El Masri [00:10:15] I was going to ask you about your kids. So how old are they now? Are they are they taking an interest in what you guys are doing or are they still too young for that?
Mel Dupuis [00:10:25] It's interesting the yes and no. So they certainly each have their own little passion. I mean, fifteen, twenty, sixteen, twelve, thirteen. Yes, there was a thirteen and and six. And they're involved in it. And we definitely see how our life has changed. And they'll often comment on make comments like, Mom, remember when you used to work nine to five before and and you wouldn't be as home quite as much by the time I get home and all of that compared to now I'm in the office. So just before we were recording here and and will be home by lunchtime time. So we just give it we just have a lot more flexibility. And that's what I love about it, is that and I'll just use Kaitlyn as an example. She's the oldest and she doesn't know she likes business. Not sure this is exactly what she wants to do. Yes. So I'm sure. But she loves horses and all of that and and her wording. Well, if I buy real estate, though, that can pay for all my horses and the barn and and all the things in the vet bills. And she has a horse now and she realizes she knows how expensive one horse alone is, not to mention that she gets 20 of them. So so just that mindset, which is awesome because. Exactly. Even even if you don't want to do this full time, it's not for every. But it can definitely give you some additional cash flow so you can do what you enjoy with your time.
George El Masri [00:11:52] Oh, yeah, absolutely. So how do you guys kind of put that message or share that message with your kids to say, hey, this is what we did? Real estate can change your lives, too, without kind of pushing on the family business to them?
Dave Dupuis [00:12:09] Yeah, and that's a great question, George, because, again, they might grow up and absolutely not be interested in real estate. And I want that to be one hundred percent fine. And I'll touch on your question in two different ways. And it's one of us that something happened this morning. Again, kind of like Mel was saying. But the way we've structured our entire portfolio is, let's say all three kids grow up, none of them. They'll say, Mom, dad, I don't want to step into your shadow. That was your thing. That's awesome. But that was your thing. I want to want to be an architect. I want to fly a plane, whatever. Even if we were to retire, we could just have someone manage the portfolio and just receive that passive income and we could divided among ourselves and them. And they would always have kind of that slush fund coming in. Right. So that's the beauty of it if they truly don't want it or liquidated it all. And but again, our goal is to have generational wealth. So have it in the background that we're running like a machine, like an engine and just providing income. So for the kids, whether they want that or not, they can get their kind of their dividends every month or every quarter, whatever we decide. And then the other thing is, without pushing it on them, like Mel said, we just always kind of plant that seed like again, you want your horses. OK, well, what's going to pay for it? Well, you don't have to love real estate like we do, but the income producing asset can pay for it. So even our six year old this morning, we were looking at different things on the net and he said, you know, Dad, is that expensive? I said, yes. They said, well, how are you going to pay for that? And I said, well, what do you think? And they six. Right. What do you think? And he says, rentals. And I'm exactly. It's the rentals that are going to pay for that. So it's just again, I'm not breathing down their necks with it. It's just they understand that the buildings, yes, they take work, but they produce income and that's how we benefit from it and have the lifestyle that we have.
Mel Dupuis [00:13:52] And he also lived in it. I mean, we were we didn't always have this life. I was especially the girls, because I was six months pregnant and we were living in a small two bedroom apartment, one of our rentals. So they lived in one of our units. And I remember they didn't like living there because the windows were thin and they would shake when it was windy outside. And they remember that. Right. And they saw how progressively it doesn't happen overnight because we sacrifice short term to live like one live in the long term. But they also had that experience of, hey, we didn't always have, which was a nice house. And the toys that we have now. Right. We we invested in order to make that happen.
George El Masri [00:14:35] Yeah, absolutely. I love how your brain washing your kids from a young age to believe that rentals are the answer.
Dave Dupuis [00:14:42] Yes.
George El Masri [00:14:43] OK, so let's talk a little bit about your like your social media presence, because I know you guys do a lot of videos together. You've had a lot of success with that. Can you share with us what you're doing and what kind of results you see from your social media endeavors, let's call it?
Mel Dupuis [00:14:59] Yeah. I mean, and you used to be very secretive about how we did all this, that we bought all these properties. But now we we realize that there's there's so many rentals and there's nothing wrong with sharing the information. So, yeah, we I mean, we're we're all over social media and on YouTube and Instagram and Facebook. And for those who don't know us, it's investing. Beltane is our handle on ticktock. Yes. And it's a lot of fun. We we have a lot of fun doing it. We're not off to perfection. It's quite often well that over our words and that's fine. And we'll do a ten times reshoot. We'll just kind of get it up there, which is which is fun. And yeah, we've just been able to to connect a lot. We've been able to to grow our Action Family Mentoring program across Canada significantly. We've helped hundreds of people and it's been very powerful.
George El Masri [00:15:58] What are some of the if you guys don't mind sharing like some of your systems for how are you leveraging social media to either help you in your business or to help you reach some of your goals?
Mel Dupuis [00:16:10] Yeah, and I mean, at the end, people don't know you. They won't do business with you, whether that is how you as a mentor, whether it is sell your property, whether it is renting from you, whether it is a lender's. So I mean, all of that from all perspective, it has helped us significantly. People have approached us saying I have a building for sale. People have approached us saying, hey, I see what you do. I see the results and I want to invest my money with you. I see we have people that reach out to us because they say, hey, will you be my mentor? Right. So so it's a combination that. It's been a win win win on all efforts, yes, we spent a lot of our time on social media and something that has been really, really important for for us is growing a very large team. We have a really amazing, amazing team, but it's very, very large because something that once the freedom was created for ourselves, it was important for us, was to have a lot of time freedom, and that's having systems in place. So that way we are hands off, hands off the property management, hands up as much as possible with anything you have to oversee, but as much as possible. We don't have to come into your office unless we decide to write. And having a team that can help with all the tasks that we don't necessarily love or are good at, and they can specialize and do it better and faster and we don't have to worry about it. So. So I guess that was really important because I know sometimes we get that often, but how do you guys do it all like you're everywhere and you're doing this and you do not like. Well, because we have so many people as part of our team, that's how we're able to do it. That's that's a simple secret.
George El Masri [00:17:50] Yeah, for sure. You're your team. Are you hiring like people in-house or are you hiring VCs to help you out?
Mel Dupuis [00:17:59] Yeah, so they are all over all over the world, we have some people locally for the property management, of course, and the maintenance team, we have three virtual assistances. We also have a very large marketing team. And they're all of and they're located everywhere in the states and Canada. We have a copywriter in there is located in Africa. So it's South Africa. Yeah. So so a little bit everywhere we're going after Challenger. Yeah, we're going after talent for sure. And once we find those people, unless we need them in the office or controller, we wanted somebody in the office for obviously videographer. We need somebody here for property management. We need somebody here. But when tests can be then, hey, why not find someone who's really specialized in what they do?
George El Masri [00:18:50] Yeah. Have you guys had some help to set up all of these structures, to set up the structure for your your business, or is it just something that you figured out along the way, trial and error type of thing?
Mel Dupuis [00:19:02] Combination, I mean, my background, I have seven years in business, that's what I went to school for, is a part of it. Was that part of it? I mean, I'm a I'm a big believer in mentorship, so I'm always going to continue to improve on my own skills and and just having those people that I can go to and ask, hey, I'm having an issue with this, how would I handle it? So that was part of it, that in my KPIs so combination of just my own background, a little bit of trial and error and adjusting when things don't work, OK? You know, we tried this and and we've tried a lot of things and they didn't work and not being afraid to shit and of course, learning from people who's been there as well.
George El Masri [00:19:42] Now, random question, how come you guys go how come you guys go by Mel and Dave? Why not Dave and Mel?
Dave Dupuis [00:19:50] I think I think it was our marketing guy at the time, investor Mel Dave. As opposed to investor Dave Mel. Yeah, it just didn't. It just didn't. Ladies first. Yeah, OK.
Mel Dupuis [00:20:03] The French in French, we always usually say the lady said, I don't know, that's how I was brought up.
George El Masri [00:20:09] OK, that makes sense. And I don't know why I just thought of that. But that's that's cool.
Mel Dupuis [00:20:16] Yeah.
George El Masri [00:20:16] Yeah. OK, so moving forward. So now I know you guys have a big portfolio in North Bay and you're looking to expand. What are you looking for? Are you looking for like a certain cash flow number with these properties outside of town? Are you looking for I don't know, to to burrett refinance quickly. What are you guys into right now?
Dave Dupuis [00:20:40] Yeah. And because we don't use any of our own money, George, that's that's exactly what we look at doing, is finding those underperforming assets. Right. And then purchasing it with as close to one hundred percent other people's money as we can and then getting in there doing minor renovations. You know, it's not all about gutting every single unit, doing whatever you can to salvage what is there, and then basically getting the expenses down, getting the income up. So, yeah, renovating, repositioning the asset and then bringing it back to the bank as quick as possible to refinance and then get into that that a lender to the let it let it's now that it's stabilized. But we are looking at bigger units, we're looking for bigger building. So if anyone knows of anything, let us know. Bigger buildings in different markets, just kind of because again, we're going to be going outside of our particular market. So we're looking for those bigger anchor buildings and other places where it might force us to set something up there. Right. So if we buy a fifty somewhere, well, now we're in that market and we might start purchasing more. So that's the type of building we're looking for. And hopefully all multifamily, we do have commercial units as well. So I'm not opposed to commercial, but people always need a place to live. Even during Colvard, we all we all saw that. So that can be a residential unit. That's our bread and butter.
George El Masri [00:21:56] Yeah. And just out of curiosity, if we can dig a little bit deeper, what are some of the parameters that you're looking for? Are you looking for a certain cap rate or, I don't know, like a certain DCR or something like that.
Dave Dupuis [00:22:08] And again, it's going to depend. So the cap rate, obviously, you know that it's going to depend on the area. I'm going to be looking at how quickly can I turn over this asset in order to pay back the people that have lent me or borrowed me some funds. So it might be if it's a it's a lower cap rates, it's a it's in a metropolitan city. But I still see the exit strategy of being able to pay everyone back in a year or 18 months or two years, then, hey, it doesn't matter because again, we're looking for everything we're looking for. Like you said, the cap rates, we're looking for the cash flow and then how to pay people back, which is the most important. So if that building is at a lower cap rate in that market, but it makes sense. And then I'm going to own the building for the next 30 years and make infinite return on investment. So it's mostly that. I know that's kind of a vague answer, George, but it's mostly the particular deal that has to that has to qualify for for us to make sense. Sure.
George El Masri [00:23:00] No. Yeah, no, I totally get that because you set these bigger goals and you try to see, especially if you're looking outside of your your area, which properties meet my goals. And you you move forward with that.
Mel Dupuis [00:23:13] Exactly. Yeah.
George El Masri [00:23:13] Yeah. OK, so we covered a lot here. Is there anything we may have missed or anything important that you feel like we should touch on before we move on to the next section?
Mel Dupuis [00:23:23] No, I think that's pretty good.
George El Masri [00:23:26] OK, perfect. I see. I notice you have a big coffee there. How many of those do you drink a day?
Dave Dupuis [00:23:31] Well, this is, I think, the second one. But yeah,
George El Masri [00:23:36] if I have like half that cup there, I would I probably won't sleep at night even if I have it early in the morning. Oh, OK. So let's move on to the random five. I'm going to ask you five random questions, and I. I just want to give you a heads up. I did not create these questions. I just pull them randomly. So you may or may not like them. OK, so the first one is what do you normally do in your free time?
Mel Dupuis [00:24:02] OK, and that's an easy one family time. I mean, we're we're really, really family oriented. We just love spending time with our kids and we bought a cottage or lake house. So we spend most of our free time there and just whatever. We're doing whether it's snowmobiling or boating or hiking or swimming. So just being with them and that's kind of yeah, that's usually what we do. We have a gym as well. So we love to kind of try to sneak that in a couple of times a week. And often the kids come with us as well and they love it because they can run around and there's always there for them. So it's it's kind of a whole family back again.
George El Masri [00:24:48] OK, great. That was an easy one for you. I think there's going to be a bit of a harder one coming up. Number two, what was your expectation on your first date?
Dave Dupuis [00:24:59] Um, I can go, so I was just trying to I was like, OK, she's beautiful. Just try and just try and stay, stay within the parameters. Don't mess it up. Don't give her any reason to say this is the first and last day with this guy. But basically just don't screw up like rabbits because I might have been shooting outside my league, but yeah. So that was just wanted to make sure I colored the lines or whatever that Sager's
Mel Dupuis [00:25:25] and I wasn't sure what this guy might like. They were just trying to figure out because that was I remember we had met at the gym and I was really inches and but then he approached me and I just thought it was this John guy. It just wasn't my thing. And and then when he approached me and he made me laugh and had a really good sense of humor and I thought, OK, I'll give it a shot. And so my expectations were just kind of just to see, you know, get to know him a little bit more and see where he would go.
George El Masri [00:26:01] Oh, that's cool. So you guys met at the gym? Yeah, thanks. I think you're the first couple I've ever spoken to that has met at the gym. I don't know if that's very common, but good for you guys.
Dave Dupuis [00:26:13] I and I don't think we ever told this story. But I did a cheesy pick up line because I was a firefighter back then and we had a calendar coming up and and I was in it. And I, I remember I approached Bill and I was like, hey, you're in shape. And how do you how are you doing? And trying to in my head, I'm thinking just how am I going to relate to this girl? So I decided to ask you to describe it. I know what did really didn't matter if she said yogurt or eat the ice cream as your diet. But it was just back then it was ice or ice breaker opener. So that's I mean,
George El Masri [00:26:44] that's that's it's a good thing it worked out for you because I could have gone the wrong way. It could have gone either way.
Dave Dupuis [00:26:48] She said. Loreal Oh
George El Masri [00:26:51] yeah. OK, cool. So number three, on a scale from one to ten, how, how attractive do you rank yourself.
Dave Dupuis [00:26:59] Oh well back in what I was a lean fit calendar firefighter, maybe a bite or a ten. But again, looks like I got to tell myself this difference now. I don't know.
Mel Dupuis [00:27:14] I think we've changed a lot in our
Dave Dupuis [00:27:17] we used to be just working out and like we
Mel Dupuis [00:27:19] both used to be hard core people, extremely fat, a very, very well. And now we I think as we now it's more of a balanced life. Right. I'd have no problem doing two classes every day. And really that was a huge part of my life compared to now. It's part of my life, but it's not. Yeah. My life. Right. It's kind of. Yeah. So am I as fit as I was ten years ago. No. Am I healthy.
Dave Dupuis [00:27:49] And can I used to always sit I with the kid again now and eleven out of ten. I tell her that all the time so I that's what I give you
George El Masri [00:27:57] that that I should have, that should have been the question. How attractive do you rank each other. You now I've given you a lot of opportunities to make your wife feel get to that.
Dave Dupuis [00:28:10] They've actually been easy.
Mel Dupuis [00:28:14] Do you guys pre talk before this. Well, yeah.
George El Masri [00:28:17] Yeah. OK, number four, how often do you update your Instagram daily?
Mel Dupuis [00:28:23] So every day we post and every day we do stories. So it's extremely rare that we Midcity I you just try to post every single day. Yeah.
George El Masri [00:28:34] OK, great. And number five, what was your worst subject in school.
Dave Dupuis [00:28:41] Geography, I still remember I won't say the teacher's name, but he sat me in the front row and he's like, we think this is a joke. Was like, I don't I don't. I'll pass the course. He passed the fifty one just to get me out of his school. Wasn't my in our class. They passed me with the 50 Geographe. I'm still like with geography but and that's the way of Google Maps now so it doesn't matter. So geography and art for me were, were terrible
Mel Dupuis [00:29:09] and I was the opposite. I was the I was the student and I was, I was into the what it could mean in class because I was the good student. But probably the classes I liked the least was probably probably the geography or history too, that I didn't love as much.
George El Masri [00:29:31] OK, fair enough. So you guys have that in common too. You see, you should have brought that up when you approached her at the gym. Should geography question.
Mel Dupuis [00:29:38] Yeah, and I have no idea.
George El Masri [00:29:42] All right. Perfect. So that's it. Guys, do you want to tell people how they can reach you and what services you provide?
Mel Dupuis [00:29:48] Yeah, and thank you for that. So if you if you're interested in finding out more about how we're doing this and and how we're buying properties and borrowing money, we can be found everywhere on social media. We're on YouTube or on Instagram or on Facebook, Tic-Tac. And our username is always investor now date. So if you search there and feel free to DMSO as well.
George El Masri [00:30:12] Awesome. Thanks a lot, guys. That was great. And I look forward to seeing In Touch.
Mel Dupuis [00:30:17] Thank you so much.
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