Not for Profit, Refugee Camp and Beirut Explosion with Dana Kandalaft

Not for Profit, Refugee Camp and Beirut Explosion with Dana Kandalaft
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George El Masri [00:00:05] Welcome, welcome, thank you for joining once again, and this time I interview Dana Kandalaft, who is a friend of mine. We went to school together, actually, so this is a bit of a different kind of episode, some of you might know. But I have a Lebanese background. My parents immigrated from Lebanon before I was born. So Dana does a lot of work with Syrian refugees in Lebanon. She was able to create a not for profit organization, which she's actually able to give back to these women that are displaced from Syria, that are in these refugee camps. They knit. They they do. They create these cool little things that she shares online and actually sells them. She also brings stuff back here to sell and then brings the profits back to these ladies. So she's been able to help a lot of women create income for their families where they otherwise probably would have never had a chance to do so. So she's so cool. What she's doing is so awesome. It's kind of along the lines of entrepreneurship, even though it's not for profit. So I wanted to share her story. We also talked about the Lebanese explosion, unfortunately. So this is recorded on August 5th. The explosion happened yesterday. A lot of people were impacted by it. So we discussed it. If you are looking to donate, the Lebanese Red Cross is an awesome organization that you can donate to. Otherwise, I hope you'll enjoy this episode and get something to get out of it. I wish you guys all the best safe. Welcome to the War podcast, where the goal is to motivate, inspire and share success principles. Today, I'm here with Dana Kendall, who is the founder of a not for profit organization called Titanite Syria. And again, this is a little bit different from the usual type of podcast episode that I do. But Dana's organization is so cool, they've helped women really transform their lives, have an opportunity to provide for their families. These are refugees that are displaced from their homes. And Dana, stories really incredible. It all started in twenty thirteen when she went to Turkey and then she ended up in Syria where she met these this group of girls who were knitting and had a passion for it. And we're going to share the journey. I don't want to ruin it all, but basically knitting has provided opportunities to these women. And Dana, who's in Canada, has been able to take their products that they're creating in Lebanon and actually selling it here and bringing the profits back. So what you're doing is awesome. Dana, welcome to the show.

Dana Kandalaft [00:02:38] Thank you for having me. Excited to be here.

George El Masri [00:02:41] Yeah. And it is pretty crazy that today's August 5th at the time of the recording. So yesterday there was the actual the Lebanon explosion in Beirut. So we've both been impacted because I'm Lebanese. I have family there. My mom is actually there now. And you have so the ladies that you work with are all in Lebanon. So. Well, I want to get into that. But before we do what I normally do, Dana, is start off by asking you about yourself. Do you want to tell us a little bit about your childhood, where you grew up, and maybe just one or two things you remember?

Dana Kandalaft [00:03:15] About my childhood. OK, well, I had a pretty plain yet lovely childhood, so I was born and raised in Mississauga, Ontario. That being said, my parents had just immigrated from Syria to Canada. And we've spent our entire or I've spent my entire life in Mississauga, Ontario, which is just a typical suburbs. You know, great childhood growing up with a multicultural community around me, having know amazing community center and life was not complicated for me growing up. I had a very privileged upbringing, very few challenges that unfortunately a lot of other youth have to have to face growing up. So, you know, life is very simple for me for for a long time. And in terms of my parents coming from Syria and being Syrian immigrants. One really interesting part of my childhood actually was when we would go visit Syria and we would spend our summer vacations there, which is a neighboring country of Lebanon. Just for some context, for who who may not know the details, but we would go and spend a couple of months at a time. And so I have some of my most fond memories of my childhood is our summer vacations in Syria, which, you know, it's it's something unless you've seen it for yourself or you're from the region, it it's it's very hard to describe. But it's it's almost kind of like a different universe in terms of just lifestyle, culture, the social life and things like that. So I'm very fond memories of of Syria, I would say from the government

George El Masri [00:05:17] and tight knit Syria has actually reconnected you to your roots, because from what I remember, there was a time where you felt a little bit of a disconnect between being well, being a Canadian, being born and raised here and your your origins. So can you tell us a little bit about the journey, a little bit about tightknit Syria? I know I kind of touched on it, but if you want to expand a little on that.

Dana Kandalaft [00:05:41] Yeah, actually, that's great, because the the organization, the nonprofit, it's it's it's always tied into my personal story one way or another. So it's really great to have the opportunity to share that story. And like I was saying, you know, I grew up in Canada. I had a great privileged childhood, very few problems. We'd go visit Syria for some summer vacations. But what happened was around the year, I guess, the year two thousand, we that was our last trip to Syria. So the years following, I was like in my teen age, in my teenage years, we stopped. We stopped traveling overseas to my parents' homeland. So what happened was over those years, Syria, the country actually became more and more of a backdrop to my Canadian life. And I knew it was a part of my ethnicity. And it was something, you know, when people would ask me in school, like, what's your background? I would say Syrian. And even in terms of the language, I wasn't that engaged, despite my mom's efforts of getting me tutors and everything. But my parents spoke to me in Arabic my whole life and I always responded in English, which is kind of a clear indication that I have really sort of absorbed my Canadian identity and didn't really give Syria all that much thought. But things started to change when I started to actually I would say it happened quickly. Basically when I turned 20, I remember sort of vivid memories around that time when I was questioning more and more my Syrian identity and not my ethnicity. And I was asking myself questions in terms of, you know, why don't I explore more, ask more questions or learn more about my Syrian heritage. And that was something that was starting, you know, I was starting to gain curiosity around and not I even actually had plans to go spend a year in Damascus, Syria, with my relatives who live there and spent a year there and learn the language. So I actually had some plans that were brewing and not long after the conflict in Syria started and it had just you know, that was 2011. So I was twenty one twenty one years old. And ever since it's been the conflict in Syria, it's just been getting worse and worse and and escalating more and more. But but in the first year of the conflict, you know, I was witnessing all this destruction and tragedy that was happening in the external world. But even internally, I was having my own conflict, my own internal conflict, because I was seeing what was happening in Syria and what was happening to my parents homeland and I. I knew I had some sort of connection to this country in terms of my heritage and my ancestry, but otherwise I felt very disconnected and I felt like I felt very overwhelmed by by just how, you know, just the tragedies that were coming out of Syria. And there was even a point where I was in university and I would be taking the subway and everybody is holding up the Metro newspaper. And on the front page of everybody's newspaper is Syria, but not the Syria I remember from my childhood, not the sense of lemon trees and corn vendors and all these, you know, these amazing memories of this rich culture and the social life that was no longer there. Now, Syria was known for for for terrible things, for, you know. Death tolls, military extremism, all of a sudden it didn't look like the country I had known my whole life, so that was that caused an internal conflict for me and a lot of ways. And that was leading up until I finally started the organization.

George El Masri [00:10:04] Right. So can you tell us about how the organization started? Just very just very briefly, I know people can read about it and stuff.

Dana Kandalaft [00:10:11] Yeah, it's a little bit of a long story, but I'll I'll I'll give you the short version. So, again, context. I'm seeing what's happening in Syria. I'm feeling really conflicted about it because I really want to help. But I felt like there was nothing I can do. Being in Canada and other than going to the occasional fundraiser and stuff like that. Otherwise, I felt like I wasn't really contributing in a genuine way to any sort of solution. I got the chance, however, to visit Turkey within twenty thirteen and I went for an academic course, so we traveled all across Turkey and that was for for two weeks. And when the course ended, I actually decided to extend my trip by one more day. And I had a family member on the trip with me, my cousin and another friend. So the three of us decided to extend our trip by one more day and actually enter northern Syria, where we went to visit a camp for people who are internally displaced. At the time, it was called the Olive Tree Camp. Now it's it's changed shape. But I had a very inspirational or inspiring experience when I met a group of girls of all ages, you know, young and old. And they all shared with me their their passion for knitting. And just to give you a little bit of more information, what I had learned was an anonymous donor had donated a bulk of the arm to these girls in the camp and the girls just went crazy for the Yoran. They they made everything they needed, cell phone cases, purses, dresses. These girls were knitting everything left, right and center. And when I inquired more about where they learned how to knit, a lot of them told me that they acquired these skill sets from their mothers and grandmothers. And a lot of them actually learned how to knit when they were before the war, when they were in their in their cities and their in their neighborhoods, in their homes and not displaced in northern Syria. And from there, I had a yeah, I call it a light bulb moment. It's not the best way to describe it. It was more like a vision of like what I can do, what role I can play. And that was it. When a couple of ways I went first. How can I help continue this? How can I help encourage this creative passion that these girls had despite being despite their terrible circumstances? And then why not take it a step further and actually create an economic bridge between my community and Canada? And these these these girls here in northern Syria where we can get these beautiful products that they're making and get it into the hands of Canadians and create an economic platform that way. And then on top of that, also create an emotional bridge between these two worlds where I think a lot of Canadians resonate with my experience in terms of wanting to help a country like Syria, but not understanding the political complexities or feeling like it's too distant geographically for them to really get involved. So that's kind of an experience I can share with Canadians. And I wanted to help create a solution for that.

George El Masri [00:13:42] And that's great. What you've done is so, so cool. I've been following your story for a long time. So can you tell us what you've been able to accomplish through time in Syria? Obviously with the women and with all the support that you're getting, what does Syria look like today?

Dana Kandalaft [00:13:59] Yeah, so I mean, to me, it's a beautiful movement, so today we work predominantly in Lebanon in a refugee camp called Sabra and Shatila Refugee Camp Loaded, located in Beirut. We work with a collective of twenty five women who we really, you know, built this collective in an informal way. It was really a community that we've been building on for the last few years. And we've been able to basically help facilitate business opportunities for them from from clients and stakeholders all over the world, so not only Lebanon, so Europe, Asia, North America and and then a couple of years ago, we've been also been able to launch our educational program where we're teaching the ladies some of the skill sets that a lot of us take for granted. This being one of the things we're teaching is computer literacy and how to set up an email account. How do you use word and excel? How to use Zoom even is all things that they've been learning from the program. And the reason we introduced this program was as a way to expand on our mission. So the women already had skill sets in terms of knitting and embroidery and all these amazing artisanal skill sets. So we've been able to to support them as producers and women who produce incredible quality products that we can then find clients to pay for and buy. But now we're also trying to teach the women skill sets that will allow them to have more agency and independence in the future because. Working with women in in a refugee camp is can sometimes be like a revolving door. Many of them have stayed for years and years and we've been working with them since day one. But also many of them have either they've either moved to Europe or North America through a sponsorship program, a resettlement program, or in some cases, they've returned home to Syria. So the refugee camp is a bit of a transitional it is a transitional period for these women or we hope it is at least. And what Syria does is, is maximize that time while they're in the refugee camp to empower them for when they have to go and rebuild their lives in a new country or they have to go back to Syria and help rebuild our homeland back there. And on top of that, in terms of our you know, our achievements is we worked with partners all over the world. You know, that's that's one thing. You know, something that's kind of a more recent accomplishment is we become a partner with the UNHCR. So now we're affiliated with these large refugee organizations, which is allowing us to elevate how we how we do things. But on a more micro scale, which I find are where the biggest accomplishments are, are are found, is really in the community of of women that we've created, is the sense of community that these women can all come together, produce net, create these products together and and build relationships and friendships with each other, with the other artisans. I find that's sort of been one of the most important things that we've done is the community that we've helped build.

George El Masri [00:17:57] That's so cool. So it sounds like it's not really about the knitting, it's not about the products, but it's more so about teaching these women skills that can help them survive on their own and and provide them with their independence, eventually just teaching them life skills that are transferable into other things as well. Does that sound about right?

Dana Kandalaft [00:18:18] Absolutely, and we're kind of doing things from two ends because in terms of the knitting and the embroidery, these were skill sets that we had identified that these women already have. So why wouldn't we leverage those skill sets and create a platform that allows them to be productive? Otherwise, it's just wasted resources and energy and opportunity. And now the other side is, is to introduce some brand new skill sets which will allow them to to now even elevate their artisanal craftsmanship and skills that much more and help them also participate in the international in the international market in ways that you and I do all the time without realizing that we we are sort of in the position to be able to do that where these women don't have the resources they need to to have that same level of participation in in the world around us. So we're trying to help break down some of those barriers.

George El Masri [00:19:23] So cool. What a concept to help women in refugee camps that are displaced Syrian women that are in Lebanon. It's so cool what you've done and the fact that it's only women. Do you help men at all or do you just focus on these women?

Dana Kandalaft [00:19:37] Oh, I like that question. So at the moment. Ah, well, I would say when we when we when we built tightknit Syria, we started off with it being explicitly our beneficiaries, being explicitly Syrian refugee women. But over the years we're now expanding on that community more and more, not not in a drastic way, but it's got doors starting to open. So we have an artisan in the collective now who who is a man and he's actually our our official tailor. So he does a lot of the tailoring in the final sort of stitching and things like that. So we're excited to have him and. We're always sort of we I wouldn't say we've successfully done this yet, we're trying to find ways where we can get the women's husbands involved or find ways to stimulate opportunities for them, the way we have been stimulating opportunities for their wives and things like that. So we're slowly starting to branch off and in in new frontiers. But I would say the majority of our efforts go to support Syrian refugee women. But that being said, inevitably, what happens when you support Syrian refugee women is when they become empowered, they end up empowering their their entire household, their family and then their community, and then the ripple effects start to go from there. So we've we've noticed that by empowering them, you're you're eventually going to empower the entire community.

George El Masri [00:21:18] So cool. You should you should have or expect a lot of good karma to come your way in your life, you know.

Dana Kandalaft [00:21:25] Thank you. I just like some chocolate and some puppies. You know, I don't ask for much,

George El Masri [00:21:31] but we'll make sure to send you some chocolate. So with with everything that happened that's happening right now, it's still fresh. So like we said, it's August 5th right now. So the day after the massive explosion. Have you been able to contact anyone from the refugee camps to see how they've been impacted?

Dana Kandalaft [00:21:50] Yeah, so the funny thing is, well, it's not funny at all, actually, but, well, how I found out about the explosion was yesterday afternoon I was speaking with our master artisan who was not in in Shatila camp at the time. She was actually going around Beirut running errands and doing things. And I had called her because I needed to talk to her about something. And she answered and she said, oh, I'm out of that. I'm out of the house right now and in the streets just running errands. Can I call you back when I'm at home? And I said, of course, no problem. And this is on WhatsApp. And then shortly after I sent her a message saying, oh, well, you're out and you look for a specific kind of thread that we need. And right away she responded with another voice note where everything was different. All of a sudden, her voice was shaky, there was panic, there was noise in the background. And what she had explained to me, what she had sent me, a picture of smoke coming out from a building from afar. She had explained to me that there was a bomb went off and she has to get home now and make sure all her kids are OK. So I had actually kind of experienced what had happened yesterday through through Shaheen, our master artisan. We followed up with her for a few hours later. She told us she saved her. Kids are safe, everybody's OK. And then we followed up with her again this morning and she said all the artisan's, thankfully, are safe and all their kids are safe. So nobody in in the Syria collective has been has been injured, thankfully. That being said, hundreds of other Lebanese and Syrians and Palestinians and, you know, a lot of so many innocent people have been injured or completely devastated by this. So our heart is just like breaking right now. And and another sort of terrifying thing is, you know, the women that we work with are women who are running away from violence, who had fled violence and who are already carrying with them all this trauma. And then now to have to see a bomb go off or see an explosion, it's now going to just provoke another wave of trauma for so many people. And and the Lebanese people, like, they just deserve so much better than than what they've been going through.

George El Masri [00:24:32] But here's here's the cool thing. We were kind of talking about this, but there's so many people, so many Lebanese people that are outside of the country, people that have moved to Brazil and Canada and the US and Australia and all over the place. And a lot of them are actually kind of gathering right now or gathering whatever resources they can and sending it back. So I have a friend that's actually matching any donations that they're collecting. And they went so far as of this moment, I think, in the eighty five thousand range, just as one one family.

Dana Kandalaft [00:25:03] So it's only been twenty four hours. That's incredible.

George El Masri [00:25:07] Yeah, yeah. So just to think, hopefully people will come together and they'll be able to rebuild from this and and because what you're doing is so cool, like just the fact that you're able to impact so many people. It's unfortunate that we have to go through this right now, just in general. But there is hopefully going to be some good that comes out of it, maybe rebuilding the city, starting from scratch and we'll see what happens.

Dana Kandalaft [00:25:34] And I don't think it's only Lebanon, too. I think it's almost every corner of the world right now. Things seem like they have to get worse before. Things change for the better and we revolutionize everything, and we young people start becoming more involved and taking action, and we do things more socially better and more sustainably better. And and and it's also an indication of how unified all the Lebanese expats are. Unfortunately, it's sad to see that you need a tragedy to really witness what that looks like. But nonetheless, there's millions of Lebanese around the world who are coming together and, you know, and and sustaining that that community, not identity as a Lebanese people and not Syria does the exact same thing or is is is just a byproduct of that same that same fabric, that same social fabric among Syrians who are now also it's a huge, huge expat population now as well. And I think it's just symbolic that everybody, even if they're not in the country, the country still in their hearts. And it also means that it means that we're going to eventually rebuild it one way or another as an international community. So. And one thing that I find extremely interesting to watch is how technology is changing the game, too, and how our. Our smartphones are changing the game in terms of how we can get involved in solutions and how we can create change as a global community, because Syria, a lot of the times, like I always say, I want to do a TED talk on this, although it's probably not that revolutionary the concept anymore, but like how smart the smart phone is going to change how we do everything. And I truly believe it allows us to transcend geographic distance, language barriers, cultural differences, and it just equips us with all the tools that we need to change the world in any way that any of us want to do that.

George El Masri [00:27:57] Exactly. And the cool thing is Titan in Syria probably wouldn't be where it is today without technology. The fact that you can communicate with these women regularly, you can sell their products online, you can transfer the money to them electronically if you want to. There's so much that you can do, which is so cool.

Dana Kandalaft [00:28:17] And I'm glad that you brought up that point, because it really the smart phone in a lot of ways is the seed of this entire this entire movement. And one thing I always like to reiterate is that refugee families, they might not have cash to even cover their rent or buy food for the week or even cover basic medical services and things like that. Like they're always struggling, trying to survive as a refugee, navigating this world. But one thing they will never compromise on is their smartphone, because their smartphone in so many ways, even outside of just knit Syria is literally a lifeline for them in terms of staying connected with their families back home in Syria, staying in the loop on what's happening, looking for opportunities and like you said, even transactions and everything like that.

George El Masri [00:29:15] So cool. It's just like from with my family, my mom used to have to buy these calling cards to speak to them when I was young. And now the smartphone has made basically access to the Internet so affordable that they can actually just chat through WhatsApp or through whatever other forms. It's so cool to see that. Yeah, would you. So what's your grand vision here for Tegan and Sara? Do you how do you how did you have a certain vision in mind when you started it? And has that vision changed?

Dana Kandalaft [00:29:49] So I struggle with this question sometimes because I remember I have such a vivid memory of when I had the idea for Syria and from the get go, the vision was already so huge and multifaceted, like there was so many things happening in terms of like, oh, having a retail store or having an online platform. Having educational programs, you know, being on runways, having a women's center that we're working out of. So the thing is the initial vision is already what's already so big and grand and multi dimensional that I feel like it's a great guiding light as we move forward. Because the thing is. You'll have an idea and you're going to do whatever you can as an entrepreneur or a founder to to manifest manifest this idea, but you can never anticipate the daily challenges and tasks and the labor is dry elements that you need to do in order to build the foundation. So to have. Your ear, I think in order to have any sort of stamina in terms of overcoming all those daily challenges, you need a vision that that is already big and grand to guide you in terms of our future plans. And and if that has changed, it's only evolving. It's it's only evolving. We're only building on what we're already doing. So so we're on the right track. So we sort of see our ways going. We we see ourselves going in multiple ways. So we do want to always have this online store where we sell the products as a brand, where China Korea is is a brand. And the reason being a brand is so important to me anyways, is because I want to make sure that we always have some sort of control over the storytelling and that we can keep getting these women's stories out to our audience and creating that emotional connection on top of that tangible connection with with having the products. And but that being said, we're also, you know, we're doing a wholesale orders and we're helping other designers get started and we're helping other retailers build their own collections. And then and then on top of that, the educational program is it's going to be forever evolving, too, because we we gain information as we do what we do. So we didn't go into this as experts. We didn't go into this knowing everything. If anything, we went into this knowing absolutely nothing. So so having so so it's a hard question for me to answer because the vision is always changing and it's always adapting to the new information that that we're that we're getting. Sorry. No worries.

George El Masri [00:33:05] No, no, that's that's great. I love that. And I love that you went into it not knowing anything. But you figured it out because I think the you weren't driven by money or by anything like that. You were driven by the the need to help or the desire to help others. And I guess that's what keeps you going. So that's so cool.

Dana Kandalaft [00:33:25] Thank you. And it's also, I think, an important part of our DNA as an organization to sort of always preserve a little bit of that grassroots nature of what we do. Of course, we're going to keep evolving and be more professional and more efficient and manage bigger amounts of money as we evolve, yadda, yadda, yadda. But I think what's always important is to always remind ourselves how how we started and how how our grassroots nature is, what allowed us to adapt constantly to to our situation, to the region we're working in, but also adapting to the needs of the women that we're helping because even those needs evolve to over time.

George El Masri [00:34:11] Yeah, for sure. Well, I hope you continue doing what you're doing. It's so cool. I love seeing it. And I wanted to jump into the next section, which is the random five. Before we do that, do you have any final messages that you want to share just before we jump into the threat of five?

Dana Kandalaft [00:34:28] And messages. Oh, my gosh, I wish I thought of that, but just anyone who listening, please follow us on our social media platforms because we're always evolving. We always have new things happening, new collections, new products, new artisans, new stories. So I really want you guys to stay in the loop with us. Whoever is listening, I really want you to know part of our community. So I guess that's the only point I want to get across is it's please follow our social media platforms. And of course, if you can donate on our donate page, we're all the funds that we're getting through. Our donate page at the moment are going almost immediately to vulnerable families in Lebanon. And now we're going to start reaching out and seeing if there's any families in need who were impacted by this explosion.

George El Masri [00:35:21] So awesome. Great. Thanks. We're going to get into your social media and stuff. So the random five first question. So these are totally random, by the way. Every episode is different. So you just tell me the first thing that comes to mind. But the first one is where's the most relaxing place you've ever been?

Dana Kandalaft [00:35:39] Oh, my gosh. My backyard,

George El Masri [00:35:50] really. That's it, you get to different parts of the world in your backyard.

Dana Kandalaft [00:35:56] It's, say, Amsterdam, it's just too perfect. It's almost like it's almost like it's not even a real city. It's like it was staged like a play. It's just so quaint. It just seems like it has zero problems at the moment, the top of my head, I would have to say Amsterdam,

George El Masri [00:36:14] I've never been there, but that would be a cool place to check a number two. If you were given the ability to make one new trend and it would be instantly popular, what trend would you create?

Dana Kandalaft [00:36:25] Oh, it's a good one. It's a good question. I don't know. I feel like it's already becoming trendy. So it's not really a revolutionary thing. But being more political, I think just making politics cool. I think making reaching out to your your local councilor, you're sending emails to your to public figures. I think if that could become cool, I think we should keep that up. Just being politically active and engaged.

George El Masri [00:36:56] I was talking to Mandy the other day and I think she was saying that she believes the Obamas made politics cool. And I kind of agree. I think they did,

Dana Kandalaft [00:37:05] and I think so. And I think definitely like Barack Obama was like one smooth, smooth guy. There's no doubting that. And I think Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, the congresswoman, so she's like the youngest congresswoman that's ever been elected to Congress and she's just so badass. And I think she's she's making politics cool, definitely. Especially for young women, too, which is which is really exciting to see more young women have the confidence to engage in politics. So I'm excited to see what the future holds.

George El Masri [00:37:40] Cool. All right. Number three, if you were given five million dollars to open a small museum, what kind of museum would you create?

Dana Kandalaft [00:37:48] Oh, my gosh. I have to answer these on the spot. These are two good chance, I thought. What kind of museum? Oh, my gosh.

George El Masri [00:37:57] Good. One first thing that comes to mind.

Dana Kandalaft [00:38:00] The first thing that came to mind was it's not really creative, but I got a pug like a dog. Yeah, the dog breed a pug, I think, two years ago now. And like, I've just been obsessed ever since. And I kind of understand what with all the fascination with if I'm speaking at the top of my head, then it would be a museum about Pug's, about pugs. Cool. Oh, my gosh. I wish I had time to think about it.

George El Masri [00:38:28] Don't worry. That's what they're supposed to throw you off. When was the last time you stayed up through the entire night.

Dana Kandalaft [00:38:37] Oh, my gosh. I think it was like four months ago for a grant proposal or something and. Oh. And it just like I got all these flashbacks from university. Yeah, I'm so glad those days, for the most part, are over, but yeah, no, I wasn't dancing on top of the tables at a bar. I was trying to finish a grant proposal on time.

George El Masri [00:39:03] Good for you. Hopefully you got it or you'll hear back soon. Thank you. What success principal do you live by.

Dana Kandalaft [00:39:10] Hmm, that's a good one. Oh, man. The first thing that comes to mind. Building community. Try trying to build ways to build community. Mm hmm.

George El Masri [00:39:34] OK, that's that's a really good one, honestly. So you're doing it. You're doing your part. And it's so cool to see you do that. So do you want to tell people how they can reach you? You mentioned your Instagram tightknit Syria. So that would be the best way. I guess you are just going on the website to integrate dot com.

Dana Kandalaft [00:39:53] Yes, we're pretty accessible from all angles. We get messages all the time through Instagram. So you'll you'll definitely get a response there, I believe, on our website. Our contact, our contact information is there. It's my emails to all be the one responding. But yeah, our Facebook, Instagram email website.

George El Masri [00:40:18] Yeah, you can check it out, probably Instagram or on the website and then you'll get access to everything.

Dana Kandalaft [00:40:23] Any one of those ways. We'll hear from us. You'll get a response from us.

George El Masri [00:40:27] Awesome. Dana, thank you so much. I know there's a lot going on. I appreciate you taking the time and I wish you all the best with Titan in Syria and just in general and I look forward to talking to you again soon.

Dana Kandalaft [00:40:38] Thank you, George. I really appreciate you being on your show today. Thank you so much. My pleasure.

George El Masri [00:40:45] Thanks once again for listening to another episode of the Well Off podcast, just want to remind you that if you do appreciate the content, all I ask is that you comment, maybe like it if you can, on the platform that you're listening to it on and finally share it with friends and family. I'd love to get the message out there and it would mean a lot if you can share it. And finally, I just wanted to offer you as a valued listener, a free copy to the roadmap to real estate investing, which is a document that I've put together which helps you identify what strategy would best suit your needs at this current time. You go over certain things that are included in this document step by step, and it'll hopefully provide you with some clarity. So have a look. You can go to w w w well off a forward slash guide to download your free copy.

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