Zoning Amendments, Minor Variances & Garden Suites with Andy Tran

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Georges El Masri [00:00:00] Hello, hello, thank you for joining me, it’s George El Masri, and you’re tuning into the well, well-off podcast where today I interviewed Andy Trent, who is the founder of Sweet Additions. Tim and his company focus on adding secondary units or garden suites to existing properties. He’s a registered house and small buildings designer and investor, a developer and holds a degree in architectural science. And on this episode, we talked a lot about Andy’s journey. He actually came to Canada as a refugee with his family, and he started off as a home inspector a couple of years ago and realized that a lot of people were asking him about basement apartments, whether they were legal, and he just didn’t have the answers. So that motivated him to find out more information about that. And that’s what he does today. They specialize in creating legal secondary suites and helping people put up what’s now considered a garden suite or even laneway housing. So these are relatively new concepts and ending his team have been focusing on this stuff for a few years now. So tons of information here for you guys. He mentioned that a lot of properties will allow garden suites. And if you want to find out more, encourage you guys to reach out to him or even just call the city of whatever, whatever city you’re in, call their hotline and find out if you can put in a garden suite or laneway house at your property. So I know you guys are going to enjoy this. It’s jam packed with information, and he’s a very knowledgeable guy and I hope you’ll enjoy it. I hope you’ll find great value. And if you do, please be sure to share this with your friends and family. Let somebody know about this episode and make sure to leave us a review on iTunes or on the Apple Podcasts platform that would be greatly appreciated. And if you guys want to connect with me, I encourage you to go to California. Book a call. Let’s chat, let’s connect and hear you go. Enjoy the episode! Welcome to The Well Off podcast, where the goal is to motivate, inspire and share success principles. I’m here with Andy Tran from sweet additions. I’m sure a lot of you guys know him. So Andy, welcome. I appreciate you joining us today.

Andy Tran [00:01:58] Yeah, absolutely, Georges. Thanks for having me on.

Georges El Masri [00:02:01] Great. So I like to start off. I don’t know if you’ve ever listened to any other episode, but I always start off by asking about your childhood so where you grew up? One or two things you remember. So just tell us a few, a few things that you remember.

Andy Tran [00:02:15] Yeah, I guess I got to go way, way back. Yes. Yeah, yeah, so I’m an immigrant, so I was not born in Canada or came to Canada as an actual as a refugee when I was four or five years old. And we actually first thing we did was we settled in Saskatchewan. I just remember it was really cold because we were in Hong Kong at the time, and it was just it was just freezing cold. So I wasn’t I wasn’t accustomed to it. And eventually we made our way to Toronto, which is where my parents found work at the time, blue collar type of work. And, you know, pretty much have been here ever since.

Georges El Masri [00:02:56] Awesome. I had no idea. That’s really cool. That’s a cool journey. So from Hong Kong to Saskatchewan to Toronto?

Andy Tran [00:03:04] Yes. Yeah. And we stayed in some pretty questionable basement suites at the time. I’m sure they were not done legally.

Georges El Masri [00:03:13] Yeah, for sure. There’s still tons of those. So then so I guess then you went to Ryerson, or was it Ryerson or U of T that you studied and got your architectural degree?

Andy Tran [00:03:24] Yeah, I studied architectural science at Ryerson. Mm hmm. And that’s really kind of expose me to, you know, basically the construction industry and how to go about, you know, building houses and buildings in Ontario and Canada.

Georges El Masri [00:03:42] So where did that interest come from? Was that just like, was it because you lived in a lot of basement apartments and you know, you didn’t like how things were or were done or what was the motivation for going into that and getting that degree?

Andy Tran [00:03:56] Yeah, I mean, when it came to basement apartments, it took it took it took a while for me to kind of realize that, but it was just from an early age, kind of really interested in art and drawing. And, you know, just having a conversation with my dad one day. And he says, you know, since you like drawing so much, you know, there’s a way to draw houses and make money from that and then said, OK, you know, let me get into architecture. So that’s kind of the path that I took. Although it was not a straight path, I kind of went around a few different industries before I kind of settled on, you know, being a house designer.

Georges El Masri [00:04:31] Yeah, for sure. And I think I read somewhere that you started, you bought your first rental in 2010. Is that right?

Andy Tran [00:04:39] Yeah, first sort of single family rental property was 2010. Yeah.

Georges El Masri [00:04:44] OK, so tell us a little bit about how your business came together. How did you start focusing on second sweet legal second suites and garden suites and all these other things that you’re doing now?

Andy Tran [00:04:56] Sure. Yeah. So it happened a bit before that. I was in the home inspection industry from around 2006 to around 2010, 2011. And during that time, you know, as I was inspecting houses in Toronto, I was always kind of asked the question is, I have this suite here. Can I legally rent it out? And I never really had the answers for them. All I would say is, you know, you have to check with your realtor, check with your lawyer, call the city. But they really wouldn’t get enough information. And so when I started seeing these questions pop up over and over again, I thought to myself, Maybe there’s an opportunity here to serve a particular market that you know where, where you know, a need was not being served. So that’s when I started researching a little bit more got into kind of, you know, even though I had an understanding of house construction and design, I didn’t have a good understanding of urban planning and what’s involved in kind of converting houses from a sort of a zoning perspective. And I dug into it. I actually purchased my principal residence, which I’m living in right now in 2009, and I went through the legal conversion process for that property first in 2009 and 2010. And sort of through that experience, I started using that, you know, in my in my work where I was giving, you know, my clients, my home inspection clients and energy audits, auditing clients more information related to doing illegal conversion. I was doing a lot of talks at realtors offices and just realized over time. And also being within the investment community that I saw this as being a potential opportunity that could be very lucrative just because you know where things were going with house prices and this was 10 years ago, right? Mm-Hmm. And obviously, that kind of played out nicely. And in 2015, I decided to kind of take this thing more serious, you know, registered a company start doing consulting and designs and then really went full time in 2016. And you know, the rest is history. We’ve been kind of doing a ton of these, these second suites. And then, of course, now with more densification with more, you know, just run away house prices. Demand is higher for densification of existing housing.

Georges El Masri [00:07:18] Yeah, for sure. So as you’re speaking, because I know you do a lot of work in like Hamilton and certain parts of the Nagarajan, like St. Catharines or Welland or whatever else. But for Hamilton, I’ve seen I’ve come across, I’m sure you have to a lot of these century homes that are two and a half storey buildings, and they’re used as like three or four unit properties, but they’re zoned as a single family home. Mm-Hmm. Is it possible? And obviously it’s case by case. But have you ever come across a situation where someone was able to convert that single family home into a legal four plex? And let’s say it’s currently in a in a D zone or something like that?

Andy Tran [00:07:59] Right. So, yeah, I mean, that’s a great question and something that I get a lot of people asking me is, can they convert this older, you know, century home in a neighborhood to have, let’s say, three or four units? And the first thing you have to look at is the zoning, right? So you mentioned diesel. Yeah, Hamilton’s a little bit different in the way they kind of have zoning. So really, most cities will have sort of an R one or two R one being kind of the lowest density suburban type housing. And then our two would be slightly higher density. Right. And so you have to look at the zoning first. I believe these zones still really only allows two units. Yeah. And if you want to do a legal conversion of, you know, to three or four units, you will then have to go for a zoning amendment with the city, right? And the zoning amendment is different from a minor variance. Zoning amendment is more involved and it’s not it’s definitely not guaranteed because you are saying that right now, I’m going to change the density of my light that is going to be different from the other houses here. But it really depends on what has taken precedent, right? Has somebody else gone through that process nearby and there’s multiple three or four units? That’s the one thing you have to look at and you know, you have to be careful also of kind of existing and quote unquote legally legal, non-conforming or, you know, the these terms that people throw around, like grandfathering of units, those sort of things you have to be careful about because, you know, when you buy the house and it already has three or four units, you don’t know when that actually took place, you know, that happened five years ago or did it happen, you know, 40 years ago? And if the city looks at it and they don’t have any records of it being converted at any time in history, they’re just going to treat it as a non a non-legal unit right now. And they may have the ability to ask you to remove the additional units, right? Right. So you just have to be very careful when you’re when you’re out there looking at property.

Georges El Masri [00:09:59] Sure. So a couple of things you mentioned like going back in history and kind of figuring out if it was converted at some point or why not? Do you have any tips on how somebody could do that? Like I know, some people have said, go to the local library and try to find old phone books where they may have had several people registered under the same property address. Or is there like any, any sort of tips or tricks that guide you?

Andy Tran [00:10:22] I’ve never heard that. Maybe I’ll try that myself sometime. Yeah. I think the first thing really is, you know, ask the current seller if they do have any documentation. Sometimes it’s going to be there if you contact. Most cities will have a record of what is registered under that property, so they may have what’s called a zoning verification report or indicate what that property is registered at. And ultimately, that’s what matters what the city has it registered as right. And if the city has it registered at something as something else, let’s say, you know, you have this property that’s three or four units and you know, you’ve been it’s, you know, you have good evidence that, you know, that was done before any of the current bylaws apply to that area. But yet the city only has it as single family or a two unit. You know, it’s incumbent on you as a homeowner to prove to the city that it is, you know, it’s, let’s say, a legal non-conforming three units or four units. It’s not it’s not incumbent on the city to kind of meet what you want it to be designated. Right? Definitely. Ultimately, you know, the risk kind of goes back to the to the homeowner.

Georges El Masri [00:11:30] Yeah. Now, if you were to go down the path of doing a zoning amendment, what kind of timeline and procedure would follow in that situation? Like do you have to get approval from the municipality and all the neighbors have to approve and like this and that? Or what’s the process like?

Andy Tran [00:11:50] Yeah, I mean, you would have to apply for that process with the city and every city has their own schedules, right, depending on how busy they are, it could be weeks or it could be months. The zoning amendment is a process where your neighbors would be notified, right? So whether it’s a minor variance or a zoning amendment. Your neighbors are notified and have the ability to voice their concerns. And these days, you know, we with the pandemic, a lot of that has been transferred from in-person to online. So there’s both positives and negatives, right? The positive is that it’s a lot more convenient, right? So I’m able to represent my clients to do, you know, basic minor variances, you know, through the, you know, say, a YouTube live stream. And the negative is that there’s potentially going to be more neighbors because it’s so convenient for them to kind of show up and voice their opinion positive or negative. So that’s just sort of one thing to consider. And, you know, a lot of the projects we do, we focus on as of right construction, mostly, which means that we try to we try to stay within the bylaws as much as possible and not get too much away from them so that we can avoid going through that minor variance process. Because even if let’s say, you know, you’re doing everything above board and you know you’re asking for a minor variance because your neighbors are potentially involved, you know, even if there’s nothing wrong with what you’re trying to do, you know, they may kind of use that as leverage to, you know. Expressed their distaste for your project, right, even if it’s kind of unrelated to the to the special permission that you’re asking for. You know, maybe it’s only like you’re off by a few inches with parking, but yet, you know, your neighbor may not like the fact that you’re doing a two unit or three unit conversion for whatever reason. And you know, they will try to use these things kind of pit that against you, right? So sure, we always encourage people to as much as possible, try to stay within the within the bylaws and look for properties that have a high likelihood where you can actually stay within those walls.

Georges El Masri [00:14:02] OK, for sure. So with regards to a zoning amendment, what kind of timelines are you looking at start to finish now to get a result? Yes, we’re going to approve the zoning amendment or no, we won’t. Is that a couple of minds? Is it a year or two years?

Andy Tran [00:14:19] Yeah. I mean, I haven’t done one in a long time, but it’s I would say it’s kind of in the months

Georges El Masri [00:14:26] type of, yeah, OK, OK. The other question I had. Now let’s see. We go back. I know we’re kind of focusing on this. We’ll talk about guidance suites a little bit soon. But let’s see. You’ve got, let’s say, like a three unit, a triplex or a legal non-conforming whatever with an unfinished basement. Mm hmm. Are you able to finish the basement and make it part of the main floor unit? Like, would you run into issues with zoning or anything like that if you decide to do something like that, obviously you’d have to get permits and whatnot. But what are your thoughts on that?

Andy Tran [00:15:00] You mean just having like a finished space without a separate unit, like no kitchen or anything like that, just part of them? Yeah.

Georges El Masri [00:15:07] Yeah, because I think they’re supposed to be like a height requirement. If you’re adding if you’re including the basement with the main floor unit, it’s supposed to be like eighty four inches or something like that from what I’ve heard.

Andy Tran [00:15:21] Well, there’s height requirements for any thinner space, whether it’s a separate suite or whether it’s just a finished space for your own personal use. So in the basement, on an existing house, the minimum is roughly six feet. Five inches. Right, OK. And so, you know, whether that is a separate basement suite with its own kitchen and, you know, all other living facilities, or whether it’s a rec room or family room as part of the main unit, it has to have that minimum height. So there’s no issues with that. You can configure the actual structure however you like, as long as it complies with the building code and the bylaws, right? So bylaws may say the second unit cannot be more than 40 percent of the gross floor area or it cannot, you know, there needs to be. You don’t know more than X number of bedrooms like, yeah, something that so as long as you can comply with that and you’re able to comply with the building code, you can have your main unit or second unit anywhere in the house, right? So the majority of what we’ve done is basements, seconds which have been in the basement. But we’ve also done ones where the second suite is on the second floor and third floor or a rear addition. Right. And then, of course, you know, we have the potential for these accessory units, which are detached as well.

Georges El Masri [00:16:40] Yeah. OK. All right. So why don’t we talk about these accessory units? I know they have different names, like in Toronto, I guess it’s laneway suites and there’s garden suites and all that. So what can you share with us about garden suites? Are these particular to certain areas, certain cities?

Andy Tran [00:16:58] Yeah. So Garden Suites is actually a term that is more kind of like a marketing term. They’re officially known as additional residential units. Right. So again, there’s all these different names for them. People call them granny flats, coach houses, you know, in the in the U.S., it’s more mostly known as detached, adduce detached accessory dwelling units. And so the big kind of policy change happened in 2019 with the provincial government passing bill went away. The More Homes Choicer Act, which essentially requires that all municipalities allow these additional garden suites as third unit. So in addition to your main house and your second suite, they allow them as third units, right? It’s going to take years for every city or town to comply with the rules. But there are already a handful of cities and towns in Ontario that that already has complied. And so in Toronto, laneway houses are specific to properties that are adjacent to laneways. Yeah, whereas Toronto actually will be officially calling garden suites ones that are in just people’s backyards, right? Sure. So the difference there is that, you know, it’s a big difference because there is only a limited number of properties that have laneway access. Right. There is one or two orders of magnitude more properties with backyards that can have garden suites compared to houses with laneway suites. So if you have, you know, fifty thousand properties that can have laneway suites, you know, you might have, you know, five hundred thousand properties that can have actual garden suites in the backyard.

Georges El Masri [00:18:34] Can you have both? Can you have a laneway suite integrated suite?

Andy Tran [00:18:38] Most likely not. I mean, it’s really going to be only one detached structure. OK. So if you if your house is on a laneway, you are how you’ve built a laneway house, most likely the only thing you can do is put in a one or two additional second units in the main house as part of that structure, but not have another not like have another detached unit, right? That’s really going to be either a garden suite or laneway house.

Georges El Masri [00:19:05] Yeah, this is Toronto, the only city that has allowed laneway housing or are there other cities as well in Ontario?

Andy Tran [00:19:13] Hamilton does allow them, so they do have policies in place in Hamilton, although recently they’ve had a new CDU policy, which effectively is the garden suite policy that kind of takes over their old laneway house policy. So whether you have a laneway or just a backyard without laneway access, you can have a detached structure in the back of your house and that’s currently effective right now in Hamilton.

Georges El Masri [00:19:37] OK, and is that is that something you can add to any property or is like, are there is there specific criteria that would allow you or prevent you from putting in that that accessory dwelling?

Andy Tran [00:19:49] Yeah, I would say the majority of properties will probably comply, but there are going to be limitations, right? So there are bylaws to say what the requirements are with height restrictions are, what the size of the units are going to be. So the other day, it really comes down to the size and configuration of your property. If you have a very shallow or very narrow lot, it might not work or might not be feasible. If you have a large lot, deep block, maybe a corner lot, then it’s going to make a lot more sense, right? So I would say that probably if I had to take a guess, the majority of properties will work, but I don’t think all of them will. And then in some cases, you know, you might be kind of on the fence there in terms of whether or not it’s going to work based on the bylaws. And, you know, if you decide that you’re going to exceed, are you going to ask for a little bit extra permission to, you know, let’s say, make it a little bit bigger or less of a setback, then you would just go through that minor variance process. And you know, for the most part, if it is going to be truly minor in nature what you’re asking for, then you shouldn’t have any issues with getting that approved the committee of adjustments.



Georges El Masri [00:20:55] OK, now for any investors that are listening to this, why would an investor want to put a garden suite or a laneway house or whatever other names there are out there, right?

Andy Tran [00:21:08] Yeah. Well, there’s a ton of different reasons, right? So from an investment standpoint, obviously that really boost your cash flow, your income levels, your, you know, if you’re buying a single family home and you’re putting in the second suite, which is a great strategy and it’s a strategy that I and many of my clients have used is putting the second suite. You know, you’re boosting your cash flow from single income to, you know, double income when the property. Now you’re adding this third one, you know, you’re basically, you know, it’s three times that income right now. The one thing to consider is that, yes, you know this, the money that you’re using to build this, you can purchase another property. But that may not be feasible because of, you know, you may not want to over leverage. You know, the great thing about the garden suite is that you’re building, you’re essentially doing a small scale development on land that you already own. That is very limited in terms of development. Costs for the most part are you’re looking at is a building permit and then obviously, you know, are the other minor nominal costs with the city. But it’s different from, you know, building a house off of land that you severed or, you know, Rob land that you purchase, right? There is a lot more that goes into that process before you can actually do the do the actual construction. So yeah, so there’s definitely benefits there. So I would say the primary benefit is this quote unquote free land that you already have with that property that you can effectively build on right away.

Georges El Masri [00:22:43] Yeah. And based on like different people that I’ve spoken to and whatnot, I think it costs. It could cost anywhere between like two to three hundred thousand typically to do a project like this now for somebody, if they don’t have the funds in cash or whatever available to them to complete this project. Are you aware of any sort of programs that can assist them, any building, financing or construction loans or anything like that that can assist with the costs?

Andy Tran [00:23:12] Yeah, absolutely. There are. There are lenders right now that are looking at providing these types of products for homeowners and investors. You know, you have you have to. There’s like none of the none of the big banks are looking into this yet. I my guess is that in a few years when they see the numbers, it’s going to start making sense to them. But right now, it’s more alternative lenders and credit unions and things like that. They’re looking at this to get construction finance right. You still have to be able to prove that this is something that you have. The capability of doing is to do construction and, you know, either show them your past experience. So that’s the one thing that any lender that is going to lend you money to do construction, they’re going to want to know that you have some experience, right? So you may want to potentially partner with someone that has experienced or, you know, hire a builder that has experienced to do the work. And that’s something that that is available from some lenders. But you might have to do some shopping around or if you have a good mortgage broker, they may have some private lending available. You know, if you don’t have the cash or you don’t have, you know, home equity line of credit in order to finance the construction.

Georges El Masri [00:24:25] Yeah. So I know in the past when sometimes people, when, when people have done legal second suites, they’ve had a hard time getting full market value on the roof on the refi because the appraisals are coming in low. Appraisers weren’t really aware of the differences between legal and non-legal and whatever. Are you finding that that’s still happening? In these days, or is it better, are appraisers catching on and realizing that there is like quite a bit of a difference between legal and non-legal units and also potentially with these garden suites as well?

Andy Tran [00:24:59] Yeah. So from the second suite standpoint, I would say that it’s definitely gotten better. They do recognize the value of legal, especially of some lenders are actually asking for documentation as well. OK. But when they are doing the appraisal, a lot of them are still using the sales comparison approach and not necessarily the income approach when they’re doing there, when they’re using, you know, certain criteria for four for their appraised value. Yeah. The fact is the majority of buyers out there are still, you know, end users, right? Owner occupied buyers and owner occupied buyers may not be as discerning from legal or non-legal status. Mm-Hmm. And so they may be willing to pay for a house that is, you know, an illegal unit. They may, you know, and you compare that against one that is legal in first of all, there aren’t even that many legal ones market, right? Most of the legal ones that are that are on the market are already held by investors. The vast majority of our clients, once they’ve legalized it, basically go onto that property and they just keep liking the rent money, right? So there’s not a huge amount to compare against. So to answer your question, I would say that it’s gotten better, but it’s still I would still say that it is the exception that there’s going to be a significant boost in appraised value, given the fact that it’s legal, right? It’s more of a long term thing, and most people are able to extract there, you know, at least the renovation funds after about a year.

Georges El Masri [00:26:27] OK, cool. And I know this is like a pretty new topic this whole Garden Suites thing. How have you completed any garden suites to this at this point? And I’m assuming you have a couple of projects in progress, but has anything been totally completed?

Andy Tran [00:26:43] Yeah, we have a few projects right now in progress. We are struggling a little bit when it comes to figuring out things like utility connections and all that. So we’re working on a few projects for, you know, I have a couple of projects and then we also have projects with our clients and none of them actually have been completed. But, you know, if we talk again in six months or a year, I’m sure that there’s going to be there’s going to be a lot that have been completed.

Georges El Masri [00:27:09] Yeah, yeah. I’m really curious to see how appraisers will value these properties with the Garden Suites because it’s a brand new concept, so it’ll be interesting to see how that goes.

Andy Tran [00:27:19] Yeah. Yeah. And as an investor, you actually have to educate your appraiser and show them, you know what? You’re doing the numbers. And I’ve heard of some investors where the appraisers have appraised the house as a triplex because there are three separate legal units in one building.

Georges El Masri [00:27:36] Yeah, for sure. So where do you see your company going like, I know you guys are busy, you have a lot of clients, you have a lot of projects on the go. Do you see yourself continuing to focus on these types of projects or is there a different direction you’re going in in the near future?

Andy Tran [00:27:55] Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we’re going to continue to do what we’ve been doing for the past several years, which is to help homeowners and investors legalize their second units because that’s really the lowest hanging fruit. Obviously, you want to improve the property as much as possible with cosmetic improvements, but then, you know, we want to encourage more and more people to do the Garden Suites because we think that that’s a great revenue generator. It can be very profitable and then be you’re adding additional housing units to the market, which is what we desperately need, right? And then we’re also looking at the small scale infill developments, selling lots, building new houses. We’re also spending a lot of time looking into the prefab space and seeing how we can incorporate that into our model because there is a lot of exciting things happening around there, you know, with automation, with robotics and things like that. So the, you know, with this increased demand as a result of a lot of these policy changes that in turn, I believe, is going to create the demand for more, more innovative building methods compared to, you know, just your onsite stick frame construction.

Georges El Masri [00:29:03] Sure. Yeah, prefab, that’s another really cool concept. And I think that’s probably going to be used more and more often, especially with garden suites and whatever else. So if people are interested in looking at their properties and seeing if it’s feasible to put a garden suite or laneway house or whatever, what would be the next step like? Would they reach out to you? Do you have a certain place on your website? They would. They would go to.

Andy Tran [00:29:28] Yeah. So there’s a I have a ton of free resources on my site, actually have a garden suite page set up on my site right now, and we’re finishing up a guide that we will send to people if they’re on our email list. And then that way, you know, we will educate them as much as possible about their current site and what sort of things that they need to look for. And then hopefully, you know, they will have properties in. Our existing portfolio that they will qualify from. And the thing that’s also very useful is that they can contact the city, right? So you can either email the city or give them a call. And they usually are very, you know, they’re very responsive in terms of providing information. So they’ll tell you what the rules are for your specific property. So if any of your listeners have a specific property that they’re interested in, I think the best thing to do is to just contact the city and say, I’m interested in putting in a backyard garden suite or whatever the name is for that city. I would encourage your listeners to do a little bit of research online first. If you go into the city, for example, in Hamilton, they’re called detached. SDO’s right. So their city use stands for secondary dwelling units. That’s what they’re referred to in Hamilton. That’s what the planning department. That’s what the building department understands the math. So if you reach out to this, to the planning department of the City of Hamilton and say, Hey, I have a house at this address, is it something that I can? Is this something that I can, you know, add a secondary dwelling unit in the backyard? And what would be the implications? And they’ll be able to give you some answers or direct you to some resources. Yeah, take advantage of the resources with the city there. There’s a lot of good information on the city website.

Georges El Masri [00:31:08] Awesome. OK, cool. So why don’t we jump ahead to the next section, which is a random five? I’m just going to ask you five questions, and you just told me the first thing that comes to mind. Number one, what was your best birthday?

Andy Tran [00:31:23] My best birthday? Yeah, yeah, it’s hard to. I’ve had a lot of good birthdays, so I’m just going to say my most recent one where I just spent some time with my family outdoors did a hike and we found two four leaf clovers cool each other. That’s awesome. So that’s I was going to say that’s probably my best birthday right now.

Georges El Masri [00:31:45] All right. Awesome. Number two pancakes or waffles?

Andy Tran [00:31:51] My wife made some really good cottage cheese pancakes recently, so I’m going to say pancakes right now.

Georges El Masri [00:31:56] Make sure your wife’s happy. Number three, what accomplishment are you most proud of?

Andy Tran [00:32:04] I would say probably just when people, you know, respond back to me and say that and this is not one specific time or anything like that, but just when people respond back and say that, you know, the information that I’ve given them allowed them to do whatever project and they’ve had success with that. To me, that’s kind of the most fulfilling part of my job. Awesome.

Georges El Masri [00:32:23] Awesome. Number four, what’s your best habit?

Andy Tran [00:32:28] My best habit is to. I don’t know. That’s a good that’s a good question, probably. Probably coffee in the morning and getting to work pretty much right away.

Georges El Masri [00:32:46] All right, cool. Number five, what’s one of the great values that guides your life balance? That’s a deep one there.

Andy Tran [00:32:55] Yeah, that’s certainly a deep one. I think it’s just kind of the realization that, you know, the world is full of abundance and, you know, looking forward to learning more and getting more experiences just so that I can contribute more back. That’s really one of the guiding principles and whether it’s giving back to, you know, my family and kids or the community. Yeah, I think that that’s something that I kind of focused on.

Georges El Masri [00:33:24] Awesome. Yeah. Well, thanks for sharing all that. Do you want to tell people how they can reach you? And obviously the services you provide are pretty obvious, but maybe just share how they can reach you?

Andy Tran [00:33:35] Yeah, sure. If you go to my website, pretty simple, sweet editions dot com, I have a ton of free resources there. I’m also on social media where we try to put a lot of good video content, you know, just kind of in the trenches on the projects that we’re working on. People have said that the information is really useful. Yeah. So you can find us on YouTube. And then we also have training programs that guide people on kind of a step by step process on doing all of this. So I definitely recommend for your listeners to check out our website that starts with edition dot com.

Georges El Masri [00:34:05] Yeah, I have to say I follow you on social media and I do find your videos really helpful and informative, so keep doing that. That’s great.

Andy Tran [00:34:13] Thanks. I’m glad someone is watching it.

Georges El Masri [00:34:15] Yeah. So thanks, Sandy. Appreciate all this. And yeah, I’ll be sure to know. Put all your information on the show notes and just we’ll stay in touch. I look forward to seeing you soon.

Andy Tran [00:34:27] Yeah, awesome. Thanks, George. Appreciate it.

Georges El Masri [00:34:31] As always, thank you for listening. I hope you enjoyed the content. And if you did, I ask you to share this with a friend, with a family member, somebody who might benefit. And it’s always appreciated. If you could leave us a review, especially if you’re listening to it on the Apple Podcasts app or if you’re on YouTube, give us a like subscribe comment and your support is always appreciate it.

Georges El Masri [00:34:51] Thank you very much.

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